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| 28 Feb 2008 9:36 AM |
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Posted By GMB BRANCH SEC LONDON on 27 Feb 2008 5:08 PM
We are suggesting that DANGEROUS practices should cease immediately, you got a problem with that???????
Or is KILLING someones family through driving tired OK???????????? No need to feed them then is there?????????
Kindly explain how this Govt has restricted the earning capacity of the working man with the minimum wage!
NEVER GIVE A MUG AN EVEN BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
UP THE REPUBLIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I asked what was your policy.
How many hours?
The earning capacity on everyone involved in our sector is controlled by how much people have to spend ............... taxis and private hire journeys are a luxury for the majority Terry.
Now the thing is that we have an oversupply with regard workforce ......................... millions are still unemployed ...................... hundreds apply for every vacancy .......................... employers (whether you like it or not) hold all the cards. People on benefit are rightly under pressure to find work, employers know that if they offer minimum wage the government will subsodise the employees earnings through tax credits ...................... they fill their vacancies because of this easily ........................ SO WHAT INCENTIVE IS THERE FOR EMPLOYERS TO PAY A RATE OF PAY HIGHER THAN THE MINIMUM SET BY THE GOVERNMENT.
I have constantly argued for inclusion in the working time directive Terry ........................ but the current criteria is not workable within the sector generally. Most working days are spent waiting ................ either for a hiring in the case of HC and PH and outside waiting for a client in the case of chauffering, and this is still not included within the present criteria or policy.
So before you, and your stupid little prat of a mate SLC (does it stand for skinny-little-cock) start trying to tell us what we should be doing at least have the decency to explain HOW it would be introduced and under what conditions ...................................................... your sweeping blanket statements do nothing to promote your cause and the lack of clarity within your arguments leave people asking "what the fook are they on about" instead of provoking support.
I can see it now ......................... " sorry mate I canot take you the 150 miles home, I cannot get £200 off you cause I'm out of time in an hour ......................... even though I've sat around all day".
Think about what we do before you start deciding how to change it.
B. Lucky
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| 28 Feb 2008 2:59 PM |
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So it has descended to open abuse to supplement the veiled threats of who knows what for digging out the ruse of setting false precedents then attacking those who are striving to make professional driving safer for the drivers and the travelling public.
Sitting around for ten or eleven hours and then getting a £200 job that you would have to turn down if the wicked unions had their way is a false scenario to justify an untenable position that it would then be ok to undertake a job in such circumstances despite the fact that the driver would be a danger to himself and the general public.
The restriction to a forty eight hour week and the methods employed to operate such a system may be complex and discussions on how actual driving time, waiting time, standby time would have to be discussed in detail with input from representative driver and proprietor organisations, and might I suggest road safety organisations like BRAKE take place.
It is what is called being organised and it should not be beyond the wit of the combined forces of the industry to suggest legislative proposals that cover the highly unlikely scenario of a chauffer sitting around for that length of time and then getting a £200 job that wasn't pre booked.
There is a situation currently where men are being forced to work seventy to eighty hours a week by some unscrupulous firms. That is a fact and not a false precedent.
That is dangerous and is putting life and limb at risk. That is a fact not a false precedent.
The government is prevaricating on the issue and the industry should be united in its demand to legislate to end these practices.
It is clearly a good idea that the precise methodology is discussed to develop ideas to guide ministers so as once the principle is accepted by government the legislators are effectively guided.
Unfortunately that cannot be achieved on this site when the sole concern of those who should know better is to play their childish points scoring games.
I was once informed in sinister tones on this site that I did not know what certain people were capable of.
Might I hazard a guess and say brain surgery and they only drive a taxi in their spare time
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GMB BRANCH SEC LONDON
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| 28 Feb 2008 3:23 PM |
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Mick sad to see your imitatiing the kunt, with the insults! is it something in the air up there ?
To answer your queries.
1.The GMBPDBs as of yet have no set policy on hours, i am sure in due course they will adopt a policy, however i think 48hrs is well long enough for a weeks work, is it financially viable presently obviously not Taxis and PH journeys a luxury not down here many people use nothing else!
2. Millions unemployed NO, hundreds apply for every job NO, down here thousands of vacancies
Employers hold all the cards BOLLOCKS we recently took on that little outfit ASDA and are making huge inroads, all workers must realise that if they organise unionise they can be successfull they are selling a product[their labour] just like BP or Shell you name your price the Tube Drivers, Council Workers, Lawyer,s Pilots ,all organise successfully. Of course one requirement is determination courage a modicum of intelligence [so clearly lacking frequently on here] to achieve it.If they stick together they cant lose!
People pressured to come off benefit, why the fukk should they they paid the money in to have it back when they needed it, why should they subsidise EXPLOITERS by working for a pittance?
3. Working time well thers a can of worms and beloved Maggie opted out good for the exploiters definitely not the workers! I know that the GMBPDBs will esatblish a policy and will utilise every ounce of our clout to see it enforced, what we WONT tolerate is the present OBSCENE practices that present not only a appalling risk to the drivers but of course a disgusting one to anyone on the highways and byways.Profit at such risk is unacceptable and will be stopped. As for your hypothectical scenario youve been on duty for 10 hrs NO you cant do the job far TOO dangerous for all other road users! Is there no morallity left?? The new policy will be decided by our members and I couldnt give a flying FUKK what non members think we exist to represent our members, you want too influence these decisions JOIN. Surely its obvious that if Drivers fail too form apolicy one will be imposed and thats not likely too be benificial is it? Disorganisation independent has achieved the present cess pit many are determined too change it and they will!
Sweeping statements, no ideas of mine they might not be carried but we in the GMB have the ability organisation influence to ensure that OUR policys will be presented at the Highest level and pursued with all our strength and that is considerable.
What we are aiming for is a fair days work for a fairs days pay at NO risk to any other, whats wrong with that???????
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| 28 Feb 2008 4:41 PM |
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Posted By GMB BRANCH SEC LONDON on 28 Feb 2008 3:23 PM
Mick sad to see your imitatiing the kunt, with the insults! is it something in the air up there ?
At least every one knows what I am ! And I am open about been a Kunt !
You on the other hand is a liar and a baboon and a bigger Kunt than I could ever be.
Just I am open about it....
can I join the GMB seems I am a professional name caller like you old man ?
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| 28 Feb 2008 11:35 PM |
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SLC ..................... is this your dummy son .................... you call me names and I will eventually respond in such language as yours so that I can be sure you understand.
I don't tend to decend to such behaviour, but after many insults from you a little dig back to you seems to have hit a raw nerve.
I need not continue further ............... my point has been made ............. your ability has been questioned.
I will address the issues raised in my next post ...................... decend to your level if you like but it will lead to you being ignored.
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| 29 Feb 2008 12:00 AM |
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Terrence.
I wholeheartedly agree that drivers working 18 hours a day is dangerous .................. I agree that it needs to be stopped ................ but my experience tells me that you will get no support from the trade if you suggest a restriction to the hours they can work ................ especially if you suggest 48 hours in a week.
The route is through control, high standards and restrictions.
Control from the councils in how many licenses it issues, this Labour Government advised many Labour Councils to remove their control of numbers .................. more licenses mean more hours, that is a clear fact on which there is mountains of evidence.
High Standards means the right people driving the right number of vehicles to the highest possible standards.
Restrictions in every aspect of the trade, to ensure councils can maintain control and the drivers can work to higher standards.
Your ideal of drivers working for 48 hours in a week is not possible unless they can make a living during that time ................. if you start suggesting that some drivers will work when its quiet is a pipe dream .................. if drivers are restricted they will work when there is the highest potential for work or they will go under ............... its as simple and straightforward as that.
I currently work in the chauffeur sector ................... I currently work PAYE ................ I currently work on a part time, as and when required basis ................ If I get the opportunity for more hours in one week then I will take them because I don't know how many hours I will get the following week .................... which is the same for many of my colleagues.
At the same time though, a number of his drivers in other areas work on a shift basis and if extra hours are required then he ensures adequate rest periods are taken to ensure safety, using part time drivers to cover their shift or part of it.
I know that not all employers are as considerate, or adopt such a professional approach ......................... but again this type of restriction would recieve many objections as if it were define in law it would be as inflexible as a fixed site speed camera.
Please bear in mind ............... that we work in an industry where we need to be available to accept a customer when they want us ............... we cannot expect them to make their travel arrangements with any other consideration than their own ............... we wait for their bookings .................... its what makes us demand responsive, and thats what makes us the best form of public transport.
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| 29 Feb 2008 4:10 PM |
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Thanks for proving my point Mick this issue is complex and needs considerable research and debate to find an acceptable safe viable solution. Rather difficult for an individual i think you will agree. Whgen a formula is reached it could be a long way from my views but it will be agreed democraticallly and not IMPOSED if we organise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the GMB are organising and will have immense influence on the outcome, those who wish to partake are welcome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 29 Feb 2008 6:37 PM |
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What an earth are you on about now, what insults, when to who, taking the proverbial now and again granted but I have never insulted you, never ridiculed you and even felt guilty about taking the p out of your motorcycles ash tray when looking at some of the sad stuff that has been posted since LOL ffs.
No-one in this union has ever questioned your knowledge, at least of the industry or your commitment to it. As far as I can see you have been committed and if you stay in the industry you will again be committed.
However you know that being committed to the industry really does mean being committed to organisation and that is something you appear to have a problem with. As I have said before no-one but no-one is having a go if personal commitments prevent further activity on the union front at this stage. In fact I urged you to take that path and not make the mistake so many of us have.
Being a dullard from south London I clearly cannot keep up with your Geordie wit because I wasn't even aware you had a go at me, was that all that stuff about you being a professional driver compared to me only being a little mini cab driver. What does that mean that on a Saturday night when we are cleaning out the backs of the car when some r sole has thrown up your tie dangles in the puke?
One thing I have never done in my life is thrown in the union card and turned my back on our own kind especially at a time like now in and industry like this when we need to be organised.
The difference between you and the others on here is that you know that it’s true. Make false allegations and blame me as much as you like it's you and nobody else that has to do the right thing.
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| 29 Feb 2008 7:07 PM |
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not so long ago i got a visit at my office from the health and safety department,, who wanted to check how many people i employed, what hours they worked and what they were payed, how long they had for breaks, and what toilet provisions we supplied, i employ 10 drivers so i gave them every bit of info they needed, and some they had forgot to ask for, lol since they are all waged drivers everything is on computer so no problems, up on completion of there review i enquired as to why they had singled me out to do a review, they informed me it was to become policy very soon that taxi fims be clamped down to the hours that were worked, i think terry has a valid point before you know it, this bill wil creep up and bite us without warning, by the way i passed the review with flying coulours, then packed them off, |
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| 29 Feb 2008 7:40 PM |
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My effort is being concentrated on bringing driver training into statutory requirement, and then continuing to develop the training so that ay aspect of it is not only free (or at least not for profit) but recompense is available for the time spent undertaking it.
My political views have not changed, nor are they likely to .........................
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| 29 Feb 2008 7:47 PM |
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Good at last something we both agree on
Your political views differ from mine - not a problem
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| 29 Feb 2008 9:40 PM |
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Well amazing some good debate, partial agreement, and recognition maybe, that if we, us dont ifluence it it will be imposed! the invite still stands as it always will Join ORGANISE PROTECT ACHIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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