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| 16 Feb 2008 9:51 PM |
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Personally as an active trade unionist i have never had any problem in not aquiescing to unjust legislation, from the Tolpuddle Matyrs the trade union movement has always defied unjust laws.
Forming a combination was deemed illegal and punished with transportation, be defying that law the Matyrs instigated the TU movement.
The thatcherite laws on picketing were of course continuosly defied during the miners dispute and at Wapping , I am PROUD ot say that I personally took part in both disputes.
When cretins attempt to boast they are entirely Legal, it purely reveals to me the LICKSPITTLE attitude so prevelant in this country, and most particularly in our industries.and the lies they are prepared to publish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The poll tax was destroyed by millions being prepared to break the law good for them!
The scum described as the country side alliance continiously state their willingness to defy the law! To justify their determination to TORTURE animals to death for their perverted cretinous gratification!
The invasion of Iraq was clearly illegal and the perpatrators should in my opinion be tried as war criminals.
So quite clearly law breaking is seen as a legitimate tactic from many sections of society!
Therfore what about companies that continiously break Health and Safety legislation or indeed Hack or PH drivers that Drive illegall hours. All of which result in Deaths??
Does anarchy rule???????????????
At one time Apartheid was Legal the TU movement in this country fought it vigorously and in doing so acted illegally, was that right??????????????
This is just my PERSONAL attempt to reveal the stupidity of so called Law Abiders at some time most people consider some legislation abhorrent and defy it.
That is how I feel about COPYRIGHT legialation on the WWW!
Waht do you think???????????????????????????
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| 17 Feb 2008 12:30 AM |
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There is a real problem for me with the entire argument you propose Terry.
My opinions of trade unionism is based upon the individual being protected, and through the unity of like minded people strengthen that individuals power to stop exploitation from wherever it comes.
Are you really suggesting that trade unionism is based in any part in the organisation of taking away a persons right to have their opinions respected, and repeated as they made them.
That, to my mind, is what the laws of copyright were written to protect.
I can assure you that I am very forthright in my views, and I have never ever been influenced to change any of what I have written on any forum I have been a member of particularly when I have been under threat or intimidation.
The laws of copyright stop those who disagree with my opinions from using the “posts” that I write in such a manner that would discredit me personally or professionally, and the law protects what I write providing I post a notice of intention to advise readers that they should contact me before reproducing anything contained within the media I choose to make such opinions.
I am more than willing to debate the issues I raise …………… and I have proved myself capable on more than one occasion.
We have had a chat Terry …………. I have made my feelings known to you in no uncertain terms, and I stand by everything I said then.
I put myself up for election many times to protect people like Steve, but people like Steve are few and far between. Unfortunately those who seek to exploit them are not.
I cannot stand by and watch this kind of disregard of either the law or a persons right to protection under it ……………. regardless of where that threat comes from.
Law- breaking is very rarely justified and should only be undertaken in an organised and official manner when diplomacy has completely failed.
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| 17 Feb 2008 2:15 AM |
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Mick..I wouldn't waste your breath mate !
What he has posted there is ludicrous.
I quite happily fall into the group that has a LICKSPITTLE attitude.
Thats all he is good for....insults and ranting on....Leave him and feel sorry for him. !!!
Someone once told me that certain union are represented by folk with "20 year behind the times" views. ( I wonder if I was told right ? )
The bit he wrote The scum described as the country side alliance continiously state their willingness to defy the law! To justify their determination to TORTURE animals to death for their perverted cretinous gratification!
I have had this out with him before in a less than professional forum debate.
I like the way he missed the bit about the protesters /Antis that violently attack people that are actually participating in perfectly legal countryside activities.
Mick do you think he even knows the financial effects that the farming community and estates incur by having pest and vermin on the land... ? Of course not.
He lives in the smog bog ( London ).so what does he know...( And let me tell you the farming community will not put up with his attitude )..
To him this topic is another opportunity to cause a row....Thats all he can do, he is a pro "differing opinion" unionist.
So he is advising that if people do not like the laws and legislation in the UK we should just break them ?...LOL
I do not like the tax on fuel Mick ! so what would he tell me ? would he say.. Do not pay the duty, run on derv / red duty free fuel ? Or simply steal it and do not pay for it at all ? He might deliver courses in " How to do drive offs from the local garage " LOL LOL LOL LOL....
I do not know what he would say but he does not say you must abide by UK laws and that is right Mick, just because we do not like law & legislation does not mean we can go around breaking it.
Or where would that theory stop ? Where would the line be drawn ?
He then say that in his humble opinion we should ignore copyright on private member forums ?
( He refers to private member forums as WWW....take no notice to this Mick . He does not know about URL / web addresses or the fact that to post on here you have to be a member...so this is a private members forum..
Why I copyright my posts Mick is because the script on this forum is set so that readers do not have to log in to read material ( So a visitor could copy my posts without login ) so that is why I make it quite clear they need my permission to use the posts I create.
He even has began to post petty shit but trying his hardest not to speak directly at any individual.
He chooses to sneak around the corners and camouflage his direct questioning.
I will honestly put my hand on my heart and say I like one bit of his post...
The bit he wrote, Waht do you think??????????????????????????? and thats it as the rest is sh@t.
I ask the same Mick..I would like to hear other members opinions on this matter and not all GMB subscribers, that this site mainly consists of.
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| 17 Feb 2008 10:06 AM |
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It is all about opinions Steve, and this type of forum is an opportunity to voice opinions.
I have worked in the trade for over 15 years ............... represented drivers for more than 10 of those.
I think I have a basic understanding of our trade.
What I have never understood is why some people think that the actions of other groups should be held as an example without explaining the years of negotiations which have not provided any compromise agreeable by either side.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ................... and everyone is entitled to have that opinion heard.
But this thread is about protecting that person from having their opinion bar stewardised or held up as a object of critisism in a way they did not intend.
This thread is not about whether a person gets gratification from controlling pests with a gun, but its held up as an arument .................... why?????????????????
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| 17 Feb 2008 11:27 AM |
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| I thought copyright laws protected original ideas. When one of the anti union brigade have one let us know |
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| 17 Feb 2008 11:54 AM |
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Mick ive seen my posts corrupted, and was not amused, so i will admit you have a point!
As for my other examples of law breaking it was purely to demonstrate that its all sections of society that condone it on various occasions, naturally when i did it i was right lol
What needs to be rememberd is that without law breaking we would still be serfs of that shower of filth in Buck Palace and their TORY cohorts!
Strange that when an argument is presented by me attacking NO individual the response is immediately an attack on ME normally the last resort of MORONS! Read the post all sections of society were mentioned, there was no identyfying of any individual or group so why the personalisation???????????????????????
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| 17 Feb 2008 4:51 PM |
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Terry I always make an effort to generalise my arguments on forums .................. I don't understand (and I have re-read this thread) why you would think that I was personally attacking anyone, I simply suggested that the tactic of comparison is one used when there is no additional evidence totally relevant to the topic being debated.
It has to be conceeded that in our history, after much public debate, people have had to resort to breaking a law, but they have done so to show public will when all else has failed.
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SLC ........................ you really should consider revising your post.
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| 17 Feb 2008 6:24 PM |
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Why?
Surely to god you’re not suggesting that drivers having to take a test over and above existing requirements is some sort of original idea.
Looking back at previous posts I see it suggests both sides of the industry
Does this mean both sides tested to the same standard?
If so does it include topographical and customer care?
If so doesn't this raise the question Mr Button has raised recently and they are trailing in the six counties about a unified industry.
It will be a debate that cannot be ducked forever and a day.
Raising the boast of the fox hunting fraternity that they would be willing to break the law appeared entirely logical to me in the context of a debate about breaking the law.
Finally I agree with many of the points you make about copyright partly because of what Terry has said and partly because people who derive a living from their original ideas deserve protection the same as any other working person.
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| 17 Feb 2008 8:13 PM |
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So obviously the spoutings of the moron are destroyed "ive never broken any law" good job someone had the courage too, or youd still be a serf [i realise mentally it is] but in reality all have benefited from our law breaking and now utilise it. This of course applies too the entire population!!!!!!!!!!!! unfortunately the cretins dont realise it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 17 Feb 2008 8:24 PM |
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SLC wrote "Surely to god you’re not suggesting that drivers having to take a test over and above existing requirements is some sort of original idea."
Surely your not going to suggest that having an idea is the same as putting it into practice.
Also I assume your trying to insult Steve rather than me.
SLC wroteLooking back at previous posts I see it suggests both sides of the industry
Does this mean both sides tested to the same standard?
If so does it include topographical and customer care?
If so doesn't this raise the question Mr Button has raised recently and they are trailing in the six counties about a unified industry.
Mr Button has been banging on about a single tier of licensing for years SLC ............... do you realy think that after licensing mini-cabs in London the government would introduce a single tier of licensing in the provinces.
SLC wrote It will be a debate that cannot be ducked forever and a day.
It hasn't ever been ducked or ignored ............... although he is no closer now than he was when he started his quest to destroy the trade.
SLC wrote Raising the boast of the fox hunting fraternity that they would be willing to break the law appeared entirely logical to me in the context of a debate about breaking the law.
I need not remind you that this is a Taxi forum ....................... for debates on fox hunting try a different forum. I'm sure that bank robbers would like to get public support for armed robberies and that they would ask to have their illegal activities justified.
SLC wrote Finally I agree with many of the points you make about copyright partly because of what Terry has said and partly because people who derive a living from their original ideas deserve protection the same as any other working person.
Of course you agree SLC ...................... but thats because I'm right.
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| 17 Feb 2008 8:38 PM |
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When pointing out law breaking i considerd it unfair to not include the Animal torturing scum or War criminals [Blair Bush] surely your carrot crunchling bonce can understand that????????????????????? in a debate about law breaking in general??????complicated or are you just in possession of tunnel vision???????????????There is a wider world out there maybe not up at the north pole?????????
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| 17 Feb 2008 9:23 PM |
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1/ you do not put ideas into practice with forty three strong petitions.
2/I am not trying to insult Steve or anyone else - it’s quite easy really
3/ Your point about the licensing of the private hire trade in London meaning there will be no single tier licensing in the provinces makes no sense at all, which must mean I am stupid because I can't understand you
4/ If Mr Buttons quest to destroy the trade etc - I take it your against
This does raise the question though should the higher level of testing for drivers be over and above but at two different levels. Best to get little things like this before zooming off with petitions
5/ If this being a taxi forum means you can only talk about things taxi what is a debate on copyright and law breaking doing on it
6/ “Of course you agree SLC -but that’s because I'm right"
But I thought of it first and I've got the copyright - SO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1/ I supported the petition .............. petitions always start with one name .................... the GMBPDB could have supported this and asked Steve to change any wording they thought necessary prior to the support being spread throughout the membership.
The GMB don't support though do they ...................... its their way or the highway ............... regardless how much merit the idea has.
2/ Insulting, promiscuous womanging off, namecalling and petty bickering are not part of the approach that I adopt ....................... unless its my mate Sussex on TDO and then its a mutual joke.
3/ I suggested that the government had witnessed the benefit of dual licensing after single tier in London led to illegal minicabs and further illegal activity .............. they very idea of a single tier of licensing is against benefit to the public and wll never succeed.
4/ Absolutely ............. Mr Button's advice has been found to be questionable before more than one court ............. its his interpretation of the law, nothing more.
The "testing" comes within the initial stages of a person becoming licensed, just like the medical and CRB checks the requirement to prove fitness and propriety are generally the same for many more people than PH or HC drivers. For existing drivers no testing is implied, I suggest you ask formally what is being undertaken rather than just think of something yourself and then believe that to be the case.
5/ The subject wasn't raised by me ................ and I think you will find general agreement that the advice I offered was correct.
6/ Silly boy.
Look SLC I'm not getting involved in childish squabbles with you ....................and I would advise that you don't get involved with debates about the taxi trade with me.
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Wel MrPollard so we send a petiton to dear Gordon then pull it to change the wording? amateurism stupidness so well demonstrated by the MUG. The way you laid out the prognosis fine but surely that would have been better organised before submission? If we had done it the first 112 signatures on it would have been MPs, beyond the comprehension of the disorganised eejit?
I and of course many others respect your astute knowledge of Taxi PH legislation and will always read with interest your views, however politically you might identify some astuteness from us? not to mention a few contacts??
Dont doubt Steves determination, perhaps the methods leave something to be desired ?
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| 18 Feb 2008 9:46 PM |
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Posted By GMB BRANCH SEC LONDON on 18 Feb 2008 4:39 PM
Wel MrPollard so we send a petiton to dear Gordon then pull it to change the wording? amateurism stupidness so well demonstrated by the MUG. The way you laid out the prognosis fine but surely that would have been better organised before submission? If we had done it the first 112 signatures on it would have been MPs, beyond the comprehension of the disorganised eejit?
I and of course many others respect your astute knowledge of Taxi PH legislation and will always read with interest your views, however politically you might identify some astuteness from us? not to mention a few contacts??
Dont doubt Steves determination, perhaps the methods leave something to be desired ?
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Terry You said you can not debate with me anymore....
So less the insults old man !
If you want to address me speak to me without throwing the silly shit in the wording.
Now if you want respect you must give respect.
Think about it ! Your attitude is Rather crap....Now if you want to end the sillyness stop the insults !
If you want to carry on sl@gging me and having your little digs just keep going old man !
I will play your game...but remember I will not get wrong off no one unlike you.
What will they do to you Terry...Give you lines ? Ground you ? Or sentence you to 30 flicks to the forehead ?
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| 19 Feb 2008 12:01 AM |
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Terry ................. if this trade is ever going to get any better then the fight needs to concentrated on those who have the power to change it.
When the representational organisations decide the best form of recruitment is achievement and when they realise the can achieve more by working together than they ever will by making fase accusations about all the other groups.
You see only the smallminded join groups which promote hatred.
But thats ok because such people are easier to control.
I have been giving the situation of representation some thought over the last few days ....................... and I'm pretty sure that whats best for drivers will be the only concern.
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You are begining to make a lot of sense and while it is true that hatred of the injustices that befall ordinary working people can motivate a lot of activity from which a lot of decent work can flow (usually on an individual basis) that only takes any of us so far.
There has been a lot achieved by a few on an individual, but much more importantly on a collective basis in the union in different parts of the trade (professional driving).
Think of how much more could be achieved if we all stepped up one gear. The non unionist joining up, the non active unionist getting active, the exchange of ideas without the silly points scoring would lead to more clarity on the issue and sensible debate on strategy and tactics could then take place. Once the collective decision has been made and we all work our guts out putting it into practice we will get results.
I am leaving to meet Terry and a key national official in a couple of hours in Westminster.
Terry and the delegation will have just met the minister on O licences and Chauffeurs being forced to work excessive hours. A couple of GMB lads in the North West, Terry and the national officers made that a reality.
We will be discussing the nuts and bolts of the safety campaign, getting the leaflets sorted, making sure the room is booked, the general secretary is there, the maximum publicity is obtained etc. We will also discuss the education pilot projects we are trying to get off of the ground and how you address the key issue for drivers, how you compensate for loss of earnings.
The point I’m making Mick is that a lot can be achieved through effective organisation the more people with commitment involved the more effective that becomes and that goes for anyone else out there who wants to now raise things above the slanging matches, (amusing as they can be at times). The same principle applies to the scrupulous bosses in the trade. Make the NTA truly representative and work with the drivers representative organisations on the issues that matter
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| 19 Feb 2008 12:43 PM |
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Mick yeh clear as mud!
Right the GMBPDBs nor me promote hatred!Yes we ask questions they dont answer that leaves others to ascertain their motive!
The people who have the power to change are of course the drivers[one of whoms licence we saved yesterday seems to have escaped your cynical eye]
We are not interested in controlling our members they control us!
Law breaking the subject of this thread still remains a legitimate option to me!
Mug stunts should be avoided [ill conceived petitions for one]
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Wolfie ......................... doing something is better than doing nothing.
The e-petitions facility is there for individuals to petition the government .................. the GMB, with all its MP's and Councillors have many other, more signifigant routes to travel.
You and other PDB reps have just visited a Minister, for example, something that would be vertually impossible for an individual.
Respect Steve for sticking his head above the pulpit ................. and ue his enthusiasm to further your cause.
Its not rocket science mate.
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| 20 Feb 2008 1:28 PM |
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NO NO NO mug stunts must be avoided/ futile petitions!
Visiting ministers nothing unusual for the ORGANISED!
Illiterate insulting enthusiasm IE" you speak shit, stick your head in bowl of boiling piss" merely the insultingly pathectic debating efforts of an congenital imbecile! which will be rightfully ignored from now on!!!!!!!!!!!!
ps had an interesting conversation with Chris jukes today re a driver attempting to get licenced, Chris went and negotiated with the council and achieved a result in very difficult circumstances, his intimate knowledge of LA s attitudes achieved this guy the chance to work as a hack. Unable to publish more on here if your interested call!!!
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