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Edinburgh outcome ...what was it
Last Post 20/05/2007 10:12 PM by felix. 38 Replies.
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over worked and under paid
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| 15/05/2007 07:57 AM |
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i've been reading whats being going on with the Edinburgh situation regarding applications for plates where thecouncil wanted more time to look into it, but the cases of 2 / 3 people went to court and they won, as apparrently the council had taken too long to make a decision. what are the likelihoods of every tom dick and harry now jumping on the band wagon.....?
i was in Edinburgh a couple of years ago and there wasnt enough ranking spaces as it was even then. also when talking to the drivers up there it came across as there was no unmet demand. so as there been any new survey's in the last 2 years ? if so what was the outcome of the survey and who carried it out.
if through the courts judgement it turns out every tom dick and harry can apply and get a plate, then it will mean many of the drivers either doing more hours for less wages or find a part time job and cherry pick the premium times for hitting the ranks.
i feel for the lads in Edinburgh if this is the route the trade up there takes, and i wonder how good jim taylor will feel about his shallow victory at ruining the trade up there. maybe jim and jd are in this together to ruin the trade up and down the British isles ?
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plato
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| 15/05/2007 10:02 PM |
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it must be a awkward one to understand because dont the Scots have a far better judicial service than us, which works different ???
im sure someone can find out about it and put it on here in terms we can understand ? |
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NICK
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| 16/05/2007 01:31 AM |
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IMO, Edinburgh is interesting, firstly it is tightly regulated by its council, and also bear in mind that the buses are controlled by the council, it is a small city, parking must be a nightmare, it is a popular city, the people that went after plates did so because the council refuse them, but in Scottish law the council have to give them an answer within six months, which they failed to to do, which means they should have automatically been granted the licence they applied for,
The new case is a different ball-game altogether, the main thing that puts the council at risk is the waiting list, if they had any sense they would issue under controlled growth to everyone on the waiting list, then do away with it, and implement a new criteria including everyone, make it into a draw system, nobody would be able to say they had been excluded.
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DavidG
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| 16/05/2007 08:02 AM |
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but if the law is different in Edinburgh, is what you say about how to overcome the waiting list going to be allowed if that was the way the wanted to do it ?
i've no idea of how the law in Scotland works myself but i've heard many times that the way the law works in Scotland is far better than here in England / Wales.
what you suggest though Nick seems to make perfect sense to me, and for that reason [ making sense ] it wont happen the way you suggested |
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NICK
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| 17/05/2007 01:03 AM |
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It all depends on the relationship between the cab trade and the council, if the trade is professional, and I have no reason to think that it is not, then there will be a working group set up between the council, the trade, and other parties, the criteria should be formulated by the working group, if the trade helps protect the council then it helps protect itself.
The problem with the removal of the numbers cap, leaves a council in a very bad position, once the numbers control has been relaxed ( removed ) it could very well find itself in a worse position than before, for instance, if it's found that the service to the public has worsened it would not be able to recap the numbers control by virtue of the fact that the unmet demand had worsened, it is much better to work under control growth and re-evaluate the situation every two to three years, that would be the actions of a responsible council.  |
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NICK
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| 17/05/2007 01:15 AM |
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Councils that de-limit IMO do so through bad advice from the licensing officers, they never explain the full situation,IMO they also remove from their workload a big package, it certainly makes their job easier, they do not have the problem of instigating and overseeing surveys, there is also the point of the extra money that is generated into their departments, and also more work means more people, the more staff they have working under them the greater the responsibility, more responsibility equals a higher grade which equals more money.
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felix
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| 17/05/2007 08:01 AM |
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Councils that de-limit IMO do so through bad advice from the licensing officers, they never explain the full situation,IMO they also remove from their workload a big package, it certainly makes their job easier, they do not have the problem of instigating and overseeing surveys, there is also the point of the extra money that is generated into their departments, and also more work means more people, the more staff they have working under them the greater the responsibility, more responsibility equals a higher grade which equals more money. the way you describe it Nick, it makes perfect sense and is a logical way of thinking about it. but you and i both know what you put is absolute dribble |
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NICK
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| 17/05/2007 08:01 PM |
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Felix, surely it just means that you have a limited understanding. |
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steadfast
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| 17/05/2007 09:36 PM |
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NICK
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17 May 2007 8:01 PM Quote Reply Alert
Felix, surely it just means that you have a limited understanding. it may imply Nick that by posting the way you did above that its you that cant explain your way out of your original post. im not saying i agree with what Felix or you have posted only pointing out that in your last post it appears by saying they have a limited understanding that its you maybe that cant explain your first post.....??????????????? |
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NICK
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| 17/05/2007 09:58 PM |
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Steadfast, I did not say them, I said you, meaning him,
if I do not understand something I ask for clarification.
I have often found that the cab trade is often poorly represented, non-professional, and the weakness is always in the elected representatives, who do not understand the council system, and therefore always at a disadvantage, fist banging and demonstrations achieve what. |
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Thermidor
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| 17/05/2007 10:55 PM |
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the way you describe it Nick, it makes perfect sense and is a logical way of thinking about it.
but you and i both know what you put is absolute dribble Hi JD |
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felix
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| 18/05/2007 07:53 AM |
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Posted By NICK on 17 May 2007 9:58 PM
Steadfast, I did not say them, I said you, meaning him,
if I do not understand something I ask for clarification.
I have often found that the cab trade is often poorly represented, non-professional, and the weakness is always in the elected representatives, who do not understand the council system, and therefore always at a disadvantage, fist banging and demonstrations achieve what.
Nick could you explain so that the rest of us understand how the council system works ?
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felix
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| 18/05/2007 07:56 AM |
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Posted By Thermidor on 17 May 2007 10:55 PM
the way you describe it Nick, it makes perfect sense and is a logical way of thinking about it.
but you and i both know what you put is absolute dribble
Hi JD
why are people intriqued by JD and what his motives are, can it not be that he as the whole intrests of the trade at heart and wants to right the wrongs that are forced upon the trade ?
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Thermidor
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| 18/05/2007 01:30 PM |
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why are people intriqued by JD and what his motives are, can it not be that he as the whole intrests of the trade at heart and wants to right the wrongs that are forced upon the trade ? How do you know what his motives are? He wants to right his perceived wrongs, he isnt god, he maybe isnt even a taxi driver, he could be a licensing officer or sh*t solicitor with a grudge. |
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felix
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| 18/05/2007 04:41 PM |
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how do you know, how does anyone ?
maybe he's a gmb member |
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Thermidor
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| 18/05/2007 06:08 PM |
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maybe he's a gmb member Now that would explain an awful lot  |
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NICK
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| 18/05/2007 06:35 PM |
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Judging by your first reply you are already a expert on council procedure , otherwise you would not have made your reply, to reply with no understanding of and the procedures would be stupid, would it not. |
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NICK
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felix
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| 18/05/2007 08:49 PM |
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Judging by your first reply you are already a expert on council procedure , otherwise you would not have made your reply, to reply with no understanding of and the procedures would be stupid, would it not. its never stopped you from posting and then thinking about it later maybe hindsight in your world would be a intresting concept would it not Nick |
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felix
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| 18/05/2007 08:50 PM |
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Posted By NICK on 18 May 2007 6:36 PM
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